Hi, I am a Destiel shipper, and I do not hate anyone for any ship they ship or don’t ship. If you don’t believe in Destiel, I still respect you. If you ship other ships harder than Destiel, that’s amazing and I’m glad you find so much happiness in them.
No one has the right to tell you to die because you don’t ship a certain ship. NO ONE. Whether the ship is Destiel, Wincest, Sabriel, Megstiel, any other ship you can possibly think of, it is NEVER ok to tell someone to kill themselves or that you wish them dead. It is NEVER ok to hate on them and make them feel horrible and call them gross names. Ever.
I am a Destiel shipper that one hundred percent believes in Destiel, and one hundred percent is AGAINST hating on others because they don’t ship it. So anons going around the Destiew tag being assholes? Why don’t you come crying to me instead. Because I challenge you right now - you are not a true fan in this fandom if you think you have any right to tell someone to kill themselves. I believe in the “same” thing you do, and your behavior is unacceptable. And I can guarantee, the rest of the Destiel shippers feel exactly the same way as I do.
Kindly fuck off,
A Destiel shipping, pissed off SPN fan.
This, ladies and gentlement, should count for ALL factions.
Do not tolerate bullies, do not tolerate anon hate in the name of a character, a pairing, or whatever.
i still don’t get how ‘not mentioning sam’ classifies as sam hate? like if you are not interested in a character why should you bother mentioning them?
because if your world doesn’t revolve around Sam, you hate him.
"Sam wouldn’t have broken in hell"
And that’s taking Sam tinted glasses to the extreme. Because he broke. While his father and his brother came out of hell functional and without needing a wall to keep the bad memories away.
Never mind that precious and trustworthy Ruby said “EVERYONE BREAKS”
Holy shit, I found a thing of beauty.
From the same Sam fans who don’t demonize Dean and don’t excuse every little bad thing Sam does.
"Sam has ALWAYS admitted when he’s in the wrong."
And gives an example from season 5. The time when Sam was using his ‘apology’ to convince Dean not to say yes to Michael (which makes this yet another time where Sam uses his ‘apologies’ to get something from Dean), when two episodes later, Sam was doing EXACTLY what he said Dean was doing wrong: saying yes to an archangel.
Are there any examples from seasons 6, 7, or 8 where Sam is not looking to get something from Dean?
I thought so.
Later we get that the excuse for Sam not to look for Dean was that he didn’t know where Dean was (Well, duh! That’s why he had to look for Dean), Sam was TOTES in the right for not trusting Dean because he learned his lesson from Amy, and Ruby (And I’m going to guess we’re ignoring Garth, and Maritza, and Kate and all the other monsters Sam has let go without a problem SINCE the Ruby fiasco), and, of course, Sam is totally innocent in the Martin situation
Oh, and it’s a good thing that Sam doesn’t feel responsible for Kevin’s death. That’s all on Dean and Gadreel. But mostly on Dean. Because of reasons.
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Ok, important things first.
I do not hate Sam or Sam fans. Some Sam fans infuriate me with their hypocrisy and blindness, yes, but I far from hate them. As I’ve said before, hate is a very powerful word and I dislike using it lightly. (Yes, I’ve said I hate the Ghostfacers. That is true. I hate that they represent a mockery of a very specific subset of people that have been mocked a long time by the industry they support, aka. nerds and Hollywood)
On the other hand, I abhor bullies. And the most vocal Sam!fans on tumblr have shown themselves to be bullies. If they were Dean!fans? I’d treat them the same, as much as I adore Dean. Bullies should not be tolerated, and we’re past the ignoring stage. They should be pointed out, separated from the group, exiled to their own echo chambers. If Sam fans in general don’t want to be likened to people like winchestersonly and shitdestielerssay? Then they should clean up house and make clear to those, let’s call them, “stans” that they’re not allowed to talk for them.
Now, Sam the character. I love Sam the character. I love him so much, that most if not all of my fics have at least a segment from his point of view. He was, as far as season 5 went, a very intriguing and interesting construct, that had a lot of possibilities crammed into him, despite the fact that he was set on a trope that I really can’t stand which is the Chosen One. However, from season 6 onward, Sam stopped being a character, and started becoming a plot device. The whole ‘What is wrong with Sam’ problem. If he’s not souless, he risks going mad, or he’s sick, or he’s manipulated, or he’s possessed or.. or… or…
It’s as if the writers had no faith either in the character they had handed to them after five seasons, or in Jared as an actor to play something more than a cardboard stand up (which is the origin of my tab).
Every season, we get new bells and whistles added to Sam, and the character of Sam, gets completely lost? Even worse? It seems that the only thing that the writers remember are the bad qualities of Sam. Sam the whinny teenager, Sam the guy who hates his family’s guts, Sam the one who isn’t happy unless the attention it’s on him. It’s as if they only saw Born under a Bad sign and Asylum and thought “Hey! That’s Sam! Let’s just give him powers!”
Not only that, there’s a distinct lack of consequence for Sam’s actions and specialness. The most clear example is Hell.
When Dean went to Hell for 40 years , and almost turned into a demon on those years. We can agree that is horrible, and even more so that that trauma was never dealt with. He was told to ‘suck it up’ because there were more important things on the doorstep. Namely, the apocalypse and “What was wrong with Sam” v. 3 (While I liked Sam in seasons 2-5, the WWWWS thing goes as back as season 1 and was only forgotten in season 3).
Then Sam goes to hell. To the “worst part of hell” according to the showrunners, even if we never see it. And he goes there for longer in soul, if not in body -given the separation- and his experience is so HORRIBLE that Death himself has to create a wall to shield him from those memories. So, for the whole of season 6? Sam didn’t have to deal with that torture. Unlike Dean. And then in season 7, when the wall is broken? Not only the torture is definitively not what we expected (Lucifer being an annoying brat in the backseat doesn’t quite line up with becoming a demon yourself while retaining enough humanity to know that you’re doing unspeakeable things), but as soon as Castiel comes forward? Sam forgets. Everything. He gets a clean stale and can go on his merry way without any impact. And yet, we’re to believe that his suffering was worse than Dean, and it’s more valid, making it a contest that should not exist.
Whenever Sam does something morally questionable, there’s an in-universe built excuse for his actions. And it’s usually supernatural, and all characters forgive him almost immediately. Yes, there are still mentions of it, most particularly the Demon blood, but even Dean tends to forget it unless he’s angry. Hell, even in 9x02 where they meet someone who was personally hurt by Sam’s actions, Dean’s reaction was to tell Sam that they should forget it since it had been a long time ago and Sam hadn’t done it alone. Despite the fact that yes, Sam freed Lucifer alone, Dean should not shoulder part of that guilt and he does it freely for his brother.
On the other hand, the current writers show us Sam’s mindscape where Sam apparently not only thinks that he saved the world alone, but also that Bobby, Dean and DEATH himself should feel honored that he is with them (9x01), as opposed to the frankly nicer kid he was in season 1 when he expressed that his worst fear was to be a freak, to be special.
So that’s my problem. I like Sam, and I like what is buried under layer and layer of useless ‘specialness’ and mytharcs and powers and possessions, but as the seasons go by, it’s harder and harder to find him. He was only on the filler episodes while the possession was going on, and now he’s completely absent because this angry Sam? Is not even angry for the right reasons according to the writers.
It’s the reason why I usually separate ‘Cardboard’ and ‘Sam’ in my tags, unless I’m feeling particularly annoyed at the stans. Cardboard is this incredibly boring Gary Stu that we have to see week after week of WWWWS and who gets the mytharcs and the specialness and the idiotic OOC moments like not wanting to talk things through with Dean (Seriously? That’s ALL Sam did all the way up to S8, except when he was mad at Dean for having friends), while Sam? Sam is the guy who got handed a big plate of shit in his life, and is still trying to do the right thing even if it backfires most of the time, who loves his brother and would rather sell his soul -and tried to do so- instead of letting him die in his place, who wanted to show Dean the light at the end of the tunnel and who I’m pretty sure would’ve understood Dean’s actions in 9x01 just as he understood Dean’s actions in season 3.
Hope this answers your question, and that I didn’t ramble too much.
Oh, another gem from those nice Sam fans who don’t bully anyone and respect everyone’s spaces.
"Bobby is a bad character because he likes Dean more. He’s unfair and he shouldn’t be angry at Sam for what he did to him."
I mean, it’s not like Sam tried to kill him twice.
Oh, and the only reason why he said Dean was his favorite was because souless!Sam had been around. If not for that? Of course Sam would be his favorite.
Because Heaven, Hell and Purgatory forbid that a character likes Dean more than Sam. If they do? They have to be monsters. Like Benny.
"Sam fans leave other fans alone"
This coming from our dearest darling Fandom Police Academy who just butted in Jocastadean’s post about SWJ with something about how dared she not to mention Sam. The one who was policing my likes and branded me ‘public enemy number one’ for what I wrote in my own, non fandom blog. And who I’m sure is the one behind the childish anon hate I get from time to time.
Sam fans, like the ones who drove out winchestersloved, leave other fans alone.
Sam fans, like the ones who still reblog my meta with nasty tags to show the world how horrible I am.
Sam fans, the ones who created the ‘destiew’ tag because someone had a ship that didn’t include Sam.
Oh, yeah, they leave other fans alone.
The first thing we learn about Sam is that he is willing to lie and keep on lying to get what he wants. In the Pilot, when talking about Jess, the woman he loves and with whom he plans to spend the rest of his days, Dean asks him if she knows what the family did. Sam answers “No, and she will never find out.” <—- that there? Shows that Sam is perfectly willing to start a relationship built on lies. A very telling contrast with Dean later, in Route 666, when we learn that the first time he was actually considering to stay with one woman forever? He told her the truth even when risking that she wouldn’t believe him. Amelia never learned the truth about Sam, not even why he left, Lisa was always aware of things until the writers decided that she had to go and wrote her, Ben and Dean OOC in order to make it work.
Later on, in Bloody Mary, Sam pointedly tells Dean that he’s going to keep his secrets no matter what, and thus keeps lying to him every time Dean asks about the dreams until they have to go to Lawrence, and even then? HE does so reluctantly. And that’s just on season 1. So far, Dean hasn’t lied to him ONCE. I know he starts with the lies too, and I think that’s as soon as season 4, but I still haven’t gotten there to confirm.
Still, the pattern is there.
And don’t worry, I don’t intimidate easily. In fact, I think the Fandom Police Academy troll is scared of little old me, since she now only engages me in the form of really stupid anon hate messages, instead of using her name to complain how much I hate her precious Sam.
Yeah, I saw it and I commented about the use of the word “After effect” a couple of posts back (I think only me and Immortaldean have commented about it so far) and it fills me with despair.
Seriously, 2 episodes? That’s IT? We saw him get the mark and whatever happens in episode 1x16 and that’s it?
I was cautious about reading anything Dean did in these last episodes as something Mark related, and I hate that apparently? I was right. Because the writers don’t seem to remember, the make up guys don’t give a flying fuck and if it’s not Sam’s pain? Not worth mentioning it.
It’s Michael!Dean all over again and it pisses me off.
so i’m rewatching all scenes in which sam and dean talk about gadreel possession and i started to wonder
i know all members of bittersamgirls club are growing frustrated because many people see this issue as “sam is angry at dean for saving his life”, when it’s not the real problem - it’s violation of sam’s body autonomy
but my question is: do writers know this as well?
i don’t want to play “i know characters better than writers” card, but all conversations between sam and dean are not that focused on the fact that dean let the angel possess sam without his consent - it’s brought up twice, in one sentence, but that’s it
the focus of those talks is on a) sam was ready to die, b) bad consequences of sam being still alive
and i get that those are also important things to understand about sam, and why he feels hurt and not ready to forgive, but it also may seem for casual viewers, or viewers who empathize with dean’s pov and worldview, that sam is indeed ungrateful brat who doesn’t appreciate that dean saved his life.
i’ll argue with anyone who doesn’t understand sam’s reasons to be angry until i’ll be blue in the face, because they’re so obvious for me, but i’m kinda worried that i should explain that to writers as well
Thank you! This is what I have been saying all along. There has been almost no mention of the possession BECAUSE the writers (And thus, Sam) don’t see the possession as such a big deal. And the result is that Sam is actually angry… that Dean saved his life. Which is stupid.
And that is what makes the situation impossible. Because while Dean COULD apologize for the possession and promise never to do that again, he will never EVER be able to apologize for saving Sam’s life, much less promise he won’t go to extremes to save Sam if needed be.
Dean did something wrong, yes. He shouldn’t have trusted Gadreel, he shouldn’t have let the angel into Sam’s body, and he should apologize for that.
But that’s not what Sam is asking, that’s not what Sam is angry about in the TEXT of the series. So it makes Sam look like an ungrateful brat EVEN when the writers are trying to push that Dean did wrong no matter what (Including making really nasty tricks with edition to change the context of the THEN segment scenes)
omg people are complaining about the fact that sjws ruined the things they liked, because now they can’t watch it uncritically anymore
Sucks to hate Sam Winchester because he’s gonna being bugging the shit out of you until the show is over. LOL
excuse you, but what the fuck makes you think that i have time to stalk your shitty blog
I see that the Fandom Police Academy is still blabbering around. And interjecting SPN and Sam where no one mentioned him.
But Sam doesn’t want to hunt, doesn’t want to stay around Dean, wants a ‘strictly business’ relationship and simply can’t trust his brother so he wants to stay away.
And in the moment Dean gives him that? He makes the bitchface because how dare Dean not to read his mind.
And yet? Dean lets him. When he should have just told him to go and find his own case.
Sometimes I wonder if I should post just little bits of the fics that I’m working on here. As sneak peeks.
And then I remember that the last time I started posting snippets… it ended up in a 29,615 word fic that is still going on…
Well, I’m an english lit. major with a minor in translation, and to be honest, I don’t regret a second of it even if finding a job was a nightmare. Mostly, what I recommend is for you to think hard about what you want to do with the rest of your life, what is your passion. I started with english lit. because I love to write and read, and it wasn’t until I lost my job as a comic book translator that I started teaching english (I teach adults, so I have no experience with highschool kids), and it was then when I realized that holy shit, I love teaching. But it comes from my love of english language in general. If I didn’t love english, and writing, and reading? I wouldn’t love teaching.
Now, I don’t know how college works in your country, but in mine we get two years to change our major if we realize that oops, this wasn’t for us. So if you start in one path and decide you don’t like it? Change majors. Listen to your gut, and most importantly, don’t stay studying something that you hate (I did that too. I started in graphic design because I loved comics, and that was the most miserable year in my life!)
Now, english lit can be a very expensive major, just for the books alone. So I recommend both the amazon rental system, and the bookdepository site. The amazon rental has the advantage that most of the books are cheaper, and the bookdepository has free shipping no matter what. Both are godsends. The Guttenberg project has almost everything you need too, but two books that are a must? at least for most schools? The Oxford English Literature Anthology (2 books), and a good dictionary of your choice. Those can get really expensive, but they’re worth their weight in gold.
(My best friend also swears by her Riverside Shakespeare, but it depends on your specialization. Me? I wouldn’t breathe without the Transitive Vampire)